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Flying over water - PPL/RPL Vol 2 Part 6 Q113

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peterd created the topic: Flying over water - PPL/RPL Vol 2 Part 6 Q113

Hello, I'm working on Q113 at the end of Vol 2, which asks this:

A pilot is planning a private flight from one island to another in a single-engine aircraft. The total distance for the flight is 45 nm but the aircraft will be beyond gliding distance from land over part of the route. Which statement is correct regarding the planning requirements for this flight?

I went for "A flight plan must be submitted before take-off", but the correct answer is indicated as "if continuous radio communication is not possible during the overwater stage an ELB must be carried", citing CASR 91 MOS 26.14.

I looked at MOS 26.48 and 9.02, as well as VFRG v 7.2, page 155 which, the way I understand it, seems to also suggest that flight plan should be submitted in such case.

Perhaps regulations have changed since the book was written? I have December 2021 edition.
Or am I reading it wrong?

Thank you!
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Bob Taits admin replied the topic: Flying over water - PPL/RPL Vol 2 Part 6 Q113

Firstly, the requirement to carry the ELT is a "Must Carry" so not optional.

Part 91 MOS
Single-engine aircraft over water For a single engine aircraft, you must always carry a survival (portable) ELT if you fly over water further than the distance the aircraft could reach an area of land suitable for a forced landing if the engine fails. Exception: This requirement does not apply to: › single seat aircraft › a flight for: » the aircraft’s manufacture » preparing or delivering the aircraft following the purchase or transfer of the operator » positioning an Australian aircraft from a location outside Australia to a place where any ELTs required to be fitted to the aircraft will be registered with AMSA › an aircraft fitted with a radio (or equivalent) to alert and continuously communicate to an appropriate person relating to the emergency on the ground during the flight.

Secondly, the notification requirements give you 3 options e,f and g "Choose 1" So the flight plan is optional not a "MUST"
CASR 91.240
If a VFR flight is 1 of the following:
(a) a flight conducting an air transport operation;
(b) a flight over water that is conducted beyond a distance from land greater than that which would allow the aircraft to reach land with an engine inoperative;
(c) a flight in a designated remote area;
(d) a flight at night proceeding beyond 120 NM from the aerodrome of departure;
then the pilot in command must ensure that, in accordance with procedures published in authorised aeronautical information,
1 of the following has occurred:
(e) the submission of a flight plan;
(f) the nomination of a SARTIME for arrival;
(g) the leaving of a flight note with a responsible person
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WayneJ replied the topic: Flying over water - PPL/RPL Vol 2 Part 6 Q113

Hi Peter,

Just check the version of your VFRG. Here is the latest to download.8.2 www.casa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2022...uide-interactive.pdf It is an interactive version for you to download. Check out pages 155 and 157. Things may have changed.

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peterd replied the topic: Flying over water - PPL/RPL Vol 2 Part 6 Q113

Thank you Bob and Wayne, all clear now.
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