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TOW CHART QUESTION-PPL EXAM PREPS

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Bosi72 replied the topic: TOW CHART QUESTION-PPL EXAM PREPS

Congrats and Well Done Meade !
How close was the Exam prep question bank compared to real CASA exam ?

Also a question for John (or anyone else). I am trying to find a copy of TOW / Landing charts for the Cessna 172N which I am currently flying on as a student pilot and the pdf from the school looks like 10th copy of the copy. The information in Legend box says they were made by Department of Civil Aviation, which was renamed 40+ years ago. No luck with Google.
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MEADE1990 replied the topic: TOW CHART QUESTION-PPL EXAM PREPS

The stuff you will do here is way harder then the exam. I studied extensively due to the fear mungering I encountered and I was astonished by the test and how easy (maybe not the correct term) it seemed to be? My advice is to put some effort into knowing your stuff, put more effort into knowing where to find stuff (aip, vfrg etc etc) and don't carry any nerves into the exam, don't rush, it's no different to what you do at home with a bit of music in the background and a coffee in your hand. I really enjoyed it.
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MEADE1990 replied the topic: TOW CHART QUESTION-PPL EXAM PREPS

John, you really know some good stuff! I'm going straight onto my cpl stuff now and I'll be sure to seek you out when I come up short with errors like this! Thanks again for your time
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John.Heddles replied the topic: TOW CHART QUESTION-PPL EXAM PREPS

I sat the exam this morning, 56 out of 56!

Well done, indeed, Meade

I am trying to find a copy of TOW / Landing charts for the Cessna 172N

Stjepan, when you next get the chance and you are at the airport, have a look in the aircraft. The aircraft should have a copy of the present approved POH which includes the AFM.

The copy in the aircraft probably will be the same as (or similar to) the POH found at takewingaviation.com/wp-content/uploads/.../N739EF_172N_POH.pdf .

If you go to Section 5 you will find the current approved takeoff and landing information. If you don't find the charts, ask your instructors where they are - they are required to be carried in the aircraft as part of the POH. I would be surprised if the POH in the aircraft has anything other than the original Cessna data. (Caveat - there is a provision in the Regs for an aircraft not to carry the POH/AFM but this provision would not normally apply to the likes of a Cessna single).

Also, check what the POH has for the loading data (Section 6). There should be a page indentified, probably, as a "Load Data Sheet" and this has to have been approved by a Weight Control Officer holding a Weight Control Authority issued by CASA. A typical example can be found at www.redcliffeaeroclub.com.au/files/aircraft/PN68_WB.pdf , albeit for a different make of aircraft. The load data sheet will provide the starting weight and CG data for calculations and will either just refer you to the POH Section 6 loading system or direct to some other loading system (for example, the LDS cited directs the use of Jim Liddle's trimsheet loading system).

Note that if the LDS does direct you to another system, the Regs require that you use that other system in operations. Trap for young players which can provide for some discussion at CASA ramp checks if the CASA folk spot the discrepancy.

As a sideline note, you will observe that Jim's trimsheet uses a non-standard (ie non-OEM) datum so, unless you know what you are doing, you need to be very careful that you use the entry data cited in the LDS. A very common trap/error (especially with such trimsheets that use a datum which can provide entry data able to be confused with OEM datum data) is that use of the OEM datum based data will not be compatible with the trimsheet and will provide incorrect answers which look OK. If you are interested in reading up a bit on loading systems, you might check the thread at www.bobtait.com.au/forum/rpl-ppl/5236-ai...loading?limitstart=0

The information in Legend box says they were made by Department of Civil Aviation, which was renamed 40+ years ago

Yes, indeed, DCA went through quite a few name changes before finally morphing into CASA.

I am presuming that you have copies of the old P-charts (similar to what Bob refers to as "Cessna" charts for convenience) which featured in the old DCA style Civil Mk1 and Mk2 flight manuals. Unfortuately, when the old flight manuals were thrown out (post Yates Report), those old charts ceased to be valid as such (although they are still useful so I would keep the copies in your bottom drawer someplace).

Do let me know how you go with locating the POH for the aircraft.

I'm going straight onto my cpl stuff now


Only too happy to lend a hand. You will find Bob's books useful for your studies.

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