Hi All,
During my first CFPA exam attempt I failed this question and I am having trouble understanding why, seeing as it is such a basic question to fail.
QNH = 1028hPa
Shade Temperature = 35c
Strip Elevation = 1500ft
After calculation, the answer is 3810ft. I chose the closest, as it asked for the closest,at 3800ft.
Why am I wrong?
Thanks in advance.
Perhaps you might post your solution to the forum for comment ?
Engineering specialist in aircraft performance and weight control.
Density Height = (1500 + (1013-1028) x 30) + (35 - (15-(2x1.5)) x 120)
Boy, but my head is still reeling from the equation .....
Side comment - it doesn't matter all that much, I guess, but you have more brackets, there, than you can poke a stick at. If you want to play with equations, consider making them as simple as reasonably feasible ? Brackets can foul up arithmetic calculations really quickly if you don't nit pick along the way when you set the equation up.
Most folks who know me, know that I detest long equations if I can run the sums other (simpler) ways -
(a) long equations make it very easy to make mistakes and even harder to spot them most of the time. Those of us with any computer programming background know just what a curse coding equations and debugging the inevitable errors is ..
(b) if you can break the calculation up into stages, especially with a picture or two along the way ... makes things much easier for dumbos like me.
So, when I have a look at your equation, a couple of things jump out at me -
(a) if I run your equation, [color=red][b]as it is[/b][/color], I get an answer which, probably, is not what you intended - indeed, a long way from what you intended ? Perhaps you might revisit your equation and see if you have made an error with brackets along the way ? When I make the pertinent correction, the answer is far more reasonable and agrees with your answer - still wrong, though.
(b) if I have a second look at the temperature deviation correction component I am wondering if you might have another look at the numbers and consider what the pressure height (from which you are figuring the temperature correction) might be ? A good point for why the odd picture and running calculation elements sequentially helps the brain figure out what's going on. Again, when I make the pertinent correction, the answer is even a bit more reasonable.
Once you have done both the above suggested corrections, you probably might find yourself closer to the question's preferred answer ?
Keep in mind that -
(a) 120 ft/deg is only an approximation anyway
(b) the usual calculations run the atmospherics as being dry which imposes yet another error - the usual pilot calculation being run here ignores humidity.
(c) if you use the ISA calculation equation, things get more complicated along the way - fortunately, we don't go to those sort of extremes so we don't get too much brain strain.
Engineering specialist in aircraft performance and weight control.
Your working looks sound except for an extra 120ft in the calculation.
The PH is (1013 - 1028 = - 15 x 30 = - 450ft). (1500 - 450 = 1050ft)
PH is 1050ft (round down to (1). Seems you put this in as 1.5 (1500ft).
15 - (2 x 1) = 13. 35 - 13 = 22 x 120 = 2640ft. (2640 + 1050) = 3690. DA = 3690ft.
Hope this helps, see diagram using Bob's method.
[attachment=1708]BT Forum for DA.jpg[/attachment]
Your working looks sound except for an extra 120ft in the calculation.
The PH is (1013 - 1028 = - 15 x 30 = - 450ft). (1500 - 450 = 1050ft)
PH is 1050ft (round down to (1). Seems you put this in as 1.5 (1500ft).
15 - (2 x 1) = 13. 35 - 13 = 22 x 120 = 2640ft. (2640 + 1050) = 3690. DA = 3690ft.
Hope this helps, see diagram using Bob's method.
[attachment=1709]BT Forum for DA.jpg[/attachment]
When I first started learning how to calculate PH and DH we would start with a simple diagram.
[attachment=1710]DH.png[/attachment]
[color=blue][i][b]we would start with a simple diagram[/b][/i][/color]
Absolutely the way to go (even if the yacht cartoonist has no idea about wind and sail trimming).
A sketch and a think about what is going on usually is a winner ...
Engineering specialist in aircraft performance and weight control.